In the meantime, I pray for truth to pervade where lies now take hold. Whats your take on it? They are the ones who voted for Obama and Hillary. If we would be faithful to Christ, we must be willing to impose the most extreme sanction that the church has to battle false teachers. The Lord had to show me, through his word, that by marrying Nick we would have a ten-fold impact. No matter what is said or written, it should all be tested and proven with the scripturesnot accepted blindly. It has caused him to wrestle with weighty issues around money, mission and multiculturalism, The writer of some of the world's most popular worship songs releases his 14th album today. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. When countless of videos, articles, books, and their own testimonies have proven and shown them to be the wolves that they are? False teachers are those who preach against Gods Word. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth (Revelation 2:14-16). Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Why Cant Us Men Tell Each Other How We Feel. Currently you have JavaScript disabled. Weve never sat down and had this big discussion like: You are the man and I am the woman, so I have to wash dishes and underwear and that makes me somehow more biblical whatever that means. In retrospect, Caine says she had to endure much despair in order to have a story of healing but it was because she ended up learning a lesson she thought she already knew. I hope you take time to listen to it because Christine's message is powerful and relevant to so many areas of our lives. Over the years I've had to fight to renew my mind to a place where I understand at the core of my being that Jesus is trustworthy. Jakes accept an invite to speak in a room with some reformed guys in 2012 to discuss his belief in the oneness dcotrine of the church to which he categorically spoke of his background in that momvement and how since then he has moved away from that doctrine toa trinitarian doctrine, he was asked every question of the beliefs of the Chrsitain faith and affirmed them all. Karen you just dont get it! . For Christine, shame grew out of numerous hardships: schoolyard bullying, the discovery at age 33 that she was an adopted child abandoned by her biological parents, and most significantly years of sexual abuse that she suffered as a child. When mankind was childlike, before Christs presence in the world of Gods creation, we had the Old Testament and its teachings to guide us. Christine Caine treats the bible in thissermonin a similar wayhow a clairvoyant will speak vague things into a persons life as though they are predicting a persons fate/destiny. Stay in the word; get yourself around people that are going to believe in you and speak life to you. Seems to me that a dozen apostles brought the message to millions. Seriously? God made us equal. Contact Us. To fail to do this is ministerial malpractice and harmful to Gods people. For over thirty years, Christine Caine has shared the hope of Jesus around the world. You can have a life beyond your past. Morning Devotions, 5 Things About Jesus That Matter to You Part 3 A Time With God Audio Devotion, ChatGPT and the Rise of Technology: Wisdom in Using AI, Love is the Greatest Political Idea, says Indian Author & Philosopher, 5 Things About Jesus That Matter to You Part 2 A Time With God Audio Devotion. I and pray that evil will not flourish. It sounds broad, but you think of the kid left in a hospital it would be just like God to take an unnamed, unwanted, abused, adopted girl and go: Im going to redeem all of those fragments of your broken past and put them together as a tapestry of my grace. Your past will do one of two things: either shame, guilt, regret, condemnation will cause you to shut down, or God can take those fragments and give someone a future. So I grew up feeling a lot of rejection, shame, insecurity, fear, and anger. The author of seven books, her latest release is Unexpected: Leave Fear Behind, Move Forward in Faith, Embrace the Adventure. Help keep The Christian Post free for everyone by making a one-time donation today. 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? If its a false doctrine, its a false doctrine, no matter you feelings about it. People like you? Please be specific. I write this as a Baptist, and so I would argue that the excommunication is a congregational responsibility and not something that pastors can impose alone (e.g., 1 Cor. If you know scripture you could in an instance see where Christine Caine is wrong. Priscilla also led her household in the making of disciples. We strive to bring His word to people! Names that comes to mind are cult leaders like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and David Koresh, that ended up promoting themselves as God. My friend Alan Hirsch says: We have to read Jesus meaning just come back to that central place. Bob bless! As I started to serve in youth ministry in my mid-20s, I realized I was going to have to deal with the darkness in my own life before I could shed light on anybody else's. This is such a mess. Calling out error in the body is not pride. II John 9-11. Those who refuse to respond to biblical correction are proving themselves to be devoid of the Spirit and taking orders from another master (Jude 1:19). I felt many emotions and very vulnerable, but I could also feel God's presence with me in a palpable way. I dont know why I go searching for these articles. Hope 103.2 will be ready to celebrate what's good in society and culture. God, not us, instituted the hierarchy in His church. If you cannot or will not refute those who contradict then you should not be a pastor. Where does it say its ok to have others do the confronting for you? Anti-trafficking work, church planting, womens networks, speaking, writing is there any part of life that you dont want to tackle? I was sexually abused by several men in my life at a very young age. Im very confident that if we apply those principles on an ongoing daily basis we can walk in victory. Totally agree with her being a false teacher and not a pastor as its not Biblical. God bless. He just kept inviting me out with his team for coffee. You know the degree to which you're willing to embrace the pain of recovery is the degree to which your knee will heal. You are absolutely right that the two have become blurred here in the westand if so probably all over the world. Christines book Unashamed is the third in a series including Undaunted and Unstoppable. Word of Faith is what Gods Word is!! Youve got to make what Jesus did for you bigger than what anybody has done to you, and what Jesus said about you greater than what anyone else said. It also applies to those Christians that we would be willing to extend the hand of fellowship to outside of our church. When the bestselling author, internationally acclaimed speaker and leader of multiple international organisations appears on our morning Zoom call, she is straight off the treadmill, laughing and apologising for her appearance in a sorry-not-sorry way that epitomises her no-nonsense attitude. Its not about who is qualified, whether they are male or female, whether they have gone to college for decades or even if they arent human. Christine Caine engages in New Age practices condemned in the Bible, Christine Caineusurps male authority and rebels against the clear word of the Bible, enjoys teaching young women to step into leadership roles that scripture forbids. Pharisees warned of Jesus too. A couple years after that, I ended up in a local church in Sydney, where I really started to grow as a disciple of Jesus.It shows you that there is a spirit realm to all this, which gives me great faith for the gospel around the world. Isaiah 53 says he died for our shame.. #Past #Trials #Tests "Often the very things that you think have disqualified you are the ones that qualify you to do what God has . These people you speak of are powerful speakers of Gods word.. Its to bad you didnt spend your time teaching the Love of God rather then sit here in judgment of people your time would be better spent. That is the CLEAR difference. Question for you: what are you doing to follow Matthew 18 and take your questions and concerns to Christine, Joyce, etc in person? evil men and impostors deceiving and being deceived (2 Ti m. 3:13) Do you have an example of how saying,Youre lost, I bet you voted for Obama and Hillary drew someone to your church? The key issue is how we respond to correction. (2 Peter 3:16). Christine Caine admits her spiritual roots were sprung from the bad fruit of heretics. I know because the simple fact that you believe As a minister myself, I cannot tell you how often the Lord has rebuked me after something I preached, we dont see the side of the preachers personal walk with the Lord who believe me will deal with whatever we speak. THIS is why the church has a tough time bringing in the lost. You will have to stand before God in all things that you have said including the ways you are talking about Gods people here. She travels without her husband! Pluease! > Quotable Quote. Or when Ive pointed something on their website that was completely false, the usual response? Try the Catholic Church if you want truth! 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. Updated February 2023. So thats why I made this book not about abuse, but about people at all levels of society who have struggled with different forms of shame. Id like to know. Harmoniously, they labored together in the service of the church. CAN YOU CAST THE FIRST STONE? John says that the congregation has a responsibility to refuse all support for such teachers. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. The scripture tells us that we ought to have in mind the best interests of both the flock and the false teachers. Esther was at that place and at that time fulfilling Gods purpose to save the Jews, neither Caine nor Meyers are here to save Gods people. Part of Word of Faith heresy is the habitual mishandling and twisting of Scripture while teaching: taking verses out of context, attempting to make the Bible say things it does not say in order to fit the theology of the teacher, and reading oneself, ones audience, or ones own ideas into Scripture (eisegesis). Without blemish or lies, we strive with and warn others of the impending judgement coming upon this world. Oh, but in those same few years, I had attended plenty of Bible conferences and classes and had plenty to anonymously post about other people and their ministry on message boards! All of these women who do speaking engagements unashamedly and unrepentantly preach to co-ed . ! One day all the walls that man created with denominations will fall and we will stand before our King and will most likely realize that none of us had it all rightas much as some of us might like to think. We have to undergo a process of restoration to have the wounds of our soul healed, and to allow Jesus to touch those dark places. The fear and our love of God compels us to defend His words, not mans. Husbands arent overseeing their wives writings and teachings, and any attention that they pay to their wives work is not through the lens of Scripture. Elizabeth Prata of The End Times lays out six reasons why Caine must be avoided like the plague. Let God judge, not these people who protest about these awesome people bringing tons of people to Christ. The key word: DIRECTLY. Dont mistake love of the world for the true love of God, His Son, and His scripture. Visiting Sydney from her California base to attend Hillsong's Colour conference this week, Caine says she was "all in" for Christ from the moment she . I can understand why so many people hate Christians. We need to be careful not to underestimate how important our response to correction is. In Apollos case, his deficient teaching was an error of omission. 2:6). "I sat in many waiting rooms full of cancer patients I could see the fear in their eyes. Talk about losing sight of what REALLY matters. You obviously have no clue what it is you are talking about and have never heard any of these people speak. How did Jesus act? I encourage you to respect that just as you throw away everything that comes out of the mouths of Caine, Meyer, et al, please respect those who are able to throw away what they disagree with while also taking in what they find to be Biblical. Im truly confused and wondering. 6. 2:24-25). We're able to rescue girls, see them restored, and help them rebuild their lives. Billy Graham Minute. That word is the same for us today we are responsible to test the spirits, research and hold everything up to Gods Word for comparison. The word says in the end times the ignorant will not be able to understand or see the miracles and the signs and wonders that the Lord is doing because they have been blinded to it. The key word: DIRECTLY. Absolutely agree with her. Numerous private jets. I used to come on sites like this and tear down women like Joyce Meyer and Christine Caine, much like you do. The word avoid is from (ekklino) which means, to turn away from, to turn aside, turning away from those who cause offences and occasions of stumbling, turning away from division makers and errorists. It seems that we are enjoined to keep out of their way and not fall in with them. Its not quantity its quality, in this case the everlasting Gospels, unadulterated and preached exegetically.. something that neither Meyer or Caine does. Dont hate on God s people. When we share our story through the lens of God's work in our lives, our experience becomes a testimony to who He is. And thank you for giving us a forum in which to teach the Scriptures and have healthy debate.. Reading the context as to the time that Timothy was written, women then were NOT allowed to be nor were they educated and that is WHY they were not supposed to teach Gods word. Compassion overwhelmed me, and I knew why I was there. I just remember holding that toilet brush and doing it as unto God with a passion. 27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. I know several women pastors that teach to men. Your absolutism leaves people out or puts them in little pigeonholes that fit with your rigid logic of scripture. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars . This Hillsong Bible teacher overcame a childhood of sexual abuse to become a fearless crusader for Christ in the fight against human trafficking. "There is something about walking through the valley of the shadow of death with Jesus: You come out knowing Jesus," says Caine. It was my own walk with Christ, studying of the scripture, and life-changing experiences that helped me grow and see otherwise. Gods will is very plainly stated in scripture. I ask these questions in curiosity as Im truly baffled by the material I find here and all in the name of the same Christ that I follow.. We cant judge the hearts of the alleged converted, but we absolutely can judge the teaching. So youre assuming I never emailed none of the people over the years? Being that Christine Caine is a product of Hillsong, look up a must-watch video from Brian Moonan called HELLSONG. I think thats where it got into me from a very young age, thinking, what is wrong with me?, there must be something wrong with me. 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them. Christine Caine regularly associates and partners in ministry with false teachers. If a quarrelsome person is left to himself he will soon have nobody with which to quarrel. Christian Church. As Ive said before, if this is leading people to Christ or causing teachers to repent, then AMEN. Word? Light works most effectively in darkness. You have something against the Passion Conference too..Wowww! What is your heart full of? I believe you have keyboard courage. Id like to know.. Yet for Scott, the negative impact of this event lingers. In terms of my own faith journey, growing up I attended a lot of two-hour services with liturgy in ancient Greek. 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